tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post8012835183145050773..comments2024-03-24T16:31:02.092+00:00Comments on Stayin' Alive: Boilerwerks Backcountry Boiler, Ultralight Chimney KettleMac Ehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11212410938991488721noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-58328914906981303332011-02-17T20:03:10.745+00:002011-02-17T20:03:10.745+00:00As far as the timeline goes I'd imagine that p...As far as the timeline goes I'd imagine that part of the delay on Devin's (apart from being a project undertaken when time permitted) was that he was attempting initially to produce the kettle himself, then decided to have them manufactured by a 3rd party if possible, that ran into problems due to the difficulty of finding someone who could produce them commercially while keeping the weight down to the original specification.<br /><br />If you simply want to sell a similar product, have no intention of producing them yourself and are happy to accept a weight penalty that comes from using a manufacturer already producing kettles (whether the uk version is produced by a manufacturer who already makes kettles for some of the other brands I couldn't say but it has been mentioned elsewhere) then it would certainly speed up the process. Whether it would speed it up sufficiently to fit the time frame mentioned is anyone's guess.<br /><br />To be honest once something is posted on the internet it's in danger of being used or copied regardless of the rights/wrongs. I personally had someone try to use photographs I'd posted on flickr, fortunately I'd sized them such that they'd display on a monitor at 800x600 dpi but wouldn't print out at even A4, the guy however used them for fridge magnets that he was selling on ebay. I couldn't do anything about it and the choice is either hide them away or post them on the net and accept that sombody somewhere will use them without permission.<br /><br />In the final analysis both kettles are likely to be available in the near future, which one an individual decides to purchase is their business and shouldn't need to be justified to anyone else.Mac Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212410938991488721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-73728270887694216472011-02-17T18:27:55.319+00:002011-02-17T18:27:55.319+00:00It certainly looks like the UK guy should be credi...It certainly looks like the UK guy should be crediting Devin for his work and maybe offering to 'licence' the design or offer some other form of remuneration.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094081689229845843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-5881173575878805492011-02-17T18:14:00.337+00:002011-02-17T18:14:00.337+00:00I'm struggling a little on the timeline here.....I'm struggling a little on the timeline here...<br />I can't see how Darren's version can have been brought to market so soon after 'the call' to Devin. Following how long it is taking Devin to get into production the 'lift' of the idea must have been during the period when the project appears to have been left fallow - some time mid 2009 to give enough time for make, test and production (they are giving a 1 year guarantee so must have some faith in it).<br />The tech is clearly 1900s era, Kelly Kettle style gear so nothing to argue on there.<br />However given I can't spot a difference between the photos of the two, and the name (anyone know the UK manufacturer's family name?) it does look suspiciously like a 'lift' rather than parallel work.<br />I'm left feeling 'grey' rather than 'black&white' at the moment...Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094081689229845843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-43171938387913302082011-02-16T21:23:01.981+00:002011-02-16T21:23:01.981+00:00To be fair unless Bob had been following the threa...To be fair unless Bob had been following the thread about Devin on BPL.com he would almost certainly have been unaware of what appears to have happened. I actually found the 'copy' and posted about it on Outdoors Magic before being made aware of Devin's work by Mike (posted above)<br /><br />Even Ryan Jordan (who owns/runs BPL.com) got caught out and tested the UK version before being made aware of Devin' kettle by members of the BPL.com forum. <br /><br />I don't think Bob can be blamed for stocking what looked like a nice product if he wasn't aware of the issues surrounding it.Mac Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212410938991488721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-12021663251450867042011-02-16T20:55:59.558+00:002011-02-16T20:55:59.558+00:00Bugger - I'll be having a chat with Bob&Ro...Bugger - I'll be having a chat with Bob&Rose tomorrow evening...Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094081689229845843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-78755495525703953682011-02-16T19:46:51.828+00:002011-02-16T19:46:51.828+00:00Hi Rob, you can read what Devin Montgomery himself...Hi Rob, you can read what Devin Montgomery himself had to say over at Hendriks blog.<br /><br />http://www.hikinginfinland.com/2011/02/backcountry-boiler-power-of-myog-and.html<br /><br />To be honest it doesn't look like there are any shades of grey.Mac Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212410938991488721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-84825812986282584522011-02-16T19:24:08.541+00:002011-02-16T19:24:08.541+00:00Bah, caught this post here, browsed Devin's bl...Bah, caught this post here, browsed Devin's blog and found that I'd missed the 'preorders', saw the mKettle at Bob&Rose's Emporium so ordered one... Only found out about the controversy after it shipped! <br />Is it black-and-white that it is a ripoff? Certainly to my eye the detailing looks too close for comfort...Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094081689229845843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-59257281503126805092011-02-07T20:49:02.690+00:002011-02-07T20:49:02.690+00:00Shouldn't be long now Mike :-)Shouldn't be long now Mike :-)Mac Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212410938991488721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-51045176471124464582011-02-07T20:31:48.608+00:002011-02-07T20:31:48.608+00:00Looking forward to receiving my BB from Devin. It ...Looking forward to receiving my BB from Devin. It will be good to use the original Mkettle, and not a copy. ;)<br />Nice post Richard.<br /><br />Mike fae DundeeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-25803822376580870302011-02-07T03:55:27.142+00:002011-02-07T03:55:27.142+00:00I knew I was missing something!I knew I was missing something!Devin Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05119547222110038856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-13379104555635924292011-02-06T23:48:02.922+00:002011-02-06T23:48:02.922+00:00Hi Devin, you're welcome, look forward to orde...Hi Devin, you're welcome, look forward to ordering once the retailer is stocked.<br /><br />How to carry paddles in your pack? easy, saw them in half :-)Mac Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212410938991488721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-8711217525026964562011-02-06T21:22:05.998+00:002011-02-06T21:22:05.998+00:00Thanks for the shout-out, Mac! The knock-off is a ...Thanks for the shout-out, Mac! The knock-off is a bit of a bummer, but it's support like this that makes the project so rewarding.<br /><br />BTW, I liked your post on pitching a tarp with paddles, but how am I supposed to carry them in my pack? :)Devin Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05119547222110038856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-38481727362529581232011-02-06T10:11:32.399+00:002011-02-06T10:11:32.399+00:00Look forward to the review James, from what I'...Look forward to the review James, from what I've seen of chimney kettles they're very fast, I considered one of these but decide against it due to the weight/bulk.<br /><br />http://www.eydonkettle.com/poppin.htmlMac Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11212410938991488721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2910485704176747208.post-47734876869088134742011-02-06T00:33:46.645+00:002011-02-06T00:33:46.645+00:00I have the mkettle and it is a great bit of kit. ...I have the mkettle and it is a great bit of kit. Half the size of the kelly kettle and much lighter too. I hope to get a review posted in the next week or so.James Boulterhttp://backpackingbongos.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com