Showing posts with label Gloves. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Gloves. Show all posts

Saturday, 8 January 2011

Gloves and Mitts, Henri Lloyd & SealSkinz



The Mitts

I've been trying to come up with a layering system when it comes to gloves etc but it's difficult, more difficult than I imagined it would be as there are so many compromises involved. Ideally it would consist of a liner glove that would provide some warmth while allowing a good degree of dexterity, that's relatively easy but the problem with most liner gloves is that they lack grip, that problem is partly cured on the Balck Diamond midweigh fleece gloves I got for review but they aren't perfect in this respect. The next layer is trickier especially in winter, do I go for a waterproof lined glove, a water resistant lined glove (softshell?), or look for the same in a mitt. Mitts are warmer but provide less dexterity so I'd need to remove them to operate my camera etc and so it goes. I've read reviews on other blogs of some of Montanes recent offerings and the Resolute Mitt looks very good as the pertex/pile inner mitt is 'Trigger Finger' or 'Lobster Claw' style which is basically a mitt with one finger. The only thing that put me off the Resolute mitt is that only the liner is 'Trigger Finger' the shell is a normal mitt.




I tried everywhere for a Trigger Finger (on both hands, military issue generally only have a trigger finger on the right hand) and had pretty much give up when I found some on ebay from a brand/sport I hadn't considered. The mitts are branded 'Henri Lloyd' a brand usually associated with sailing. They were advertised as a Gore-Tex shell mitt with trigger fingers on both hands which was exactly what I was looking for. As it turns out the mitts aren't really Gore-Tex Shell, they have a Gore-Tex insert but it's thin enough that you don't feel it but wasn't really what I wanted as 2 layers takes longer to dry. The other obvious issue is that they don't come with an liner insulating layer and the only way around that problem would be to try to make some. The end result is that short of buying a pair of Resolutes simply to get the liner I'm not really any further forward. The shell itself is made from quite stiff fabric, the kind of stuff outdoors brands used about 10 years ago, mine are size large and large they certainly are, it would be no problem to fit a pertex/pile liner and a pair of liner gloves underneath. There's a wide velco/webbing strap at the wrist and a captive cordlock/shockcord on the cuff so no problem sealing them up. I did try them with gloves underneath and the trigger fingers do improve dexterity quite a bit so I don't know none of the outdoors brands don't make them and really don't understand why Montane didn't make the outer shell of the Resolutes in trigger finger style unless it's simply that seam sealing a mitt is easier. The mitts cost £45 but to be honest although I wanted trigger finger mitts I might have been as well getting the Resolutes in the 1st place, I also notice that the mitts I have aren't currently on the Henri Lloyd website.



The Gloves

Going off at a tangent to a degree I was looking for an all in one glove that would be waterproof, reasonably warm, breathable and thin enough to provide dexterity and provide good wear resistance and grip primarily for skiing. I looked at some of the Mountain Equipment gloves but in the end found something that looked like it would work from SealSkinz. Prior to ordering I asked for opinions on Outdoors Magic and the general consensus wasn't good, most people said of SealSkinz in general that they weren't waterproof, weren't warm and weren't very breathable which wasn't a great start when you're looking for a waterproof, warm and breathable glove, being thus advised I ordered them anyway.



The ones I ordered are called 'Activity Gloves' but they're also listed as 'Winter Riding Gloves'. Given the advice I'd had on OM I decided to approach them in the same way I'd approached Paramo, as a weather resistant softshell that if it turned out to actually be waterproof would be a bonus.



The gloves are quite nice to be honest, I ordered Large and the fit is snug if slightly short on the fingers. The back of the glove is like a softshell fabric while the palm including fingers and thumb is full leather (sheep leather unfortunately), the index finger has an extra layer on the tip either to increase wear resistance or grip while the back of both thumbs have a nice soft fleece layer as a nose wipe. The waterproofing comes from a Porelle insert and the gloves are lined with a soft brushed fabric. They're quite short, elasticated at the wrist and a neoprene cuff with a a velcro strap to tighten them.



I've worn them quite a bit since I got them just for everyday stuff, the leather palm means they're ok for driving as they provide plenty of grip, they're reasonably warm while active and the dexterity is as good as can be expected, I can operate my DSLR while wearing them. I haven't really tried them in heavy rain although I did wear them when messing around on my snowboard and they kept my hands dry and warm. At £40 there are plenty of other options but so far I'm happy with them, they're too close fitting to wear the Black Diamond midweight gloves underneath but should be ok with a silk liner.

Wednesday, 15 December 2010

Black Diamond Midweight Fleece Gloves



Black Diamond Midweight Fleece Gloves

I've been trying to come up with a perfect glove set-up for a while now so when I found out that Webtogs were sending me a pair of Black Diamond Midweight fleece glove for review I checked them out on their Website to find out a bit more. The thing that appealed to me was the mention of a kevlar stitched goat leather palm, I find my biggest dislike when it comes to fleece gloves is the lack of grip followed by bulk. I'd tried a pair of ME G2 Lite soft shell gloves earlier in the year but found that while they had a silicone print on the palms/fingers which provided plenty of grip they weren't much more water resistant than fleece gloves but when wet felt colder and took longer to dry.

When the Black Diamond gloves arrived I was surprised at how thin they were, I expected a 'Midweight' glove to be thicker but as Black Diamond also make a lightweight and heavyweight fleece glove (with silicone grips on thumb/forefinger/Index Finger and a goat leather palm) I guess it's relative. The other thing that I noticed was that the leather palm was exactly that, apart from extending very slightly up the thumb and forefinger.



The gloves are made from Polartec Powerstretch which provides a nice close fit and being 'midweight' don't feel bulky. What I particularly like is the long cuff, some fleece gloves have quite a short cuff but these extend well beyond my wrist. As they're close fitting they work well under my Marmot unlined shell gloves, better in fact than the liners that came supplied with the Marmot gloves.






So far I've only managed to try them when skiing last Tuesday, the temperature was quite low so the snow was dry but the gloves didn't wet out even though my ski poles have suede grips, clipping in and out of the bindings and so on wasn't a problem nor was operating a DSLR. I suspect that with the leather palm they'll provide plenty of grip on a canoe paddle but apart from twirling a paddle in the garage I've yet to try them.







Good as they are they aren't perfect though, I can't quite see the point in not having the leather extend the full length of the thumb and forefinger at least, as it is the leather palm improves the grip over a plain fleece glove if you're holding a mug or flask but for more delicate tasks where you're using forefinger and thumb they aren't really any better than plain fleece gloves, the other advantage of full leather finger and thumb is durability, as it is the gloves are starting to feel a little worn where the thumb leather ends probably due to the suede grip on my ski poles. That said it's perhaps a bit unfair to criticize them for that as they aren't marketed as ski gloves.

All in all I'm pleased enough with the performance that if I lost/damaged them I'd replace them with another pair. I may get a pair of ME Windchill Grip gloves which as far as I know have the Silicone print all over the palms including fingers and thumb or alternatively the Black Diamond Heavyweight fleece glove to see if they offer any advantage otherwise I'll be using the Black Diamond Midweight's as the foundation on which to build my 'Glove System'

My gloves are size Large and weigh 48g pair, they cost £17.99 from Webtogs